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- From: autry@sgi.com (Larry Autry)
- Subject: Air Travel FAQ 4/5 Ticket Consolidators
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- Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 19:19:21 GMT
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- Last-Modified: Thu Sep 24 13:58:38 CDT 1992
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- This FAQ list is published approximately monthly. Read the intro in FAQ 1/5 for
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- BUCKET SHOPS AND CONSOLIDATORS
-
- The following information was obtained in April, 1992, from an anonymous
- posting, with only minor editing. There are two separate descriptions,
- from two different people, the second being an agent in a bucket shop.
- This person didn't reveal an identity for fear of getting in trouble, so
- don't post asking for the address of this bucket shop. This posting is
- very long but answers many questions about international ticketing.
-
- --description from first anonymous source--
-
- "Consolidator" and "bucket shop" are sometimes used interchangeably, but
- aren't exactly the same.
-
- Consolidators are agencies that have discount agreements with the
- airlines. In most cases, especially with the U.S. and other big airlines,
- consolidators are wholesalers who sell only through retail agencies, not
- directly to the public. (I recall seeing a list in the Consumers Report
- Travel Newsletter of some consolidators who deal directly with the
- public. But retail customers will, of course, be charged more than
- wholesale customers.) In any case consolidators do NOT offer retail
- service. If you want a straightforward round-trip ticket, know what
- airline you want to go on, and exactly what dates, and that that airline
- has the best route and price, fine. But of course many itineraries
- aren't like that, and most people need a retail agent's help to figure
- out what's the best ticket for them.
-
- Any retail travel agent can buy tickets from consolidators, and most
- U.S. agents who do significant international ticketing are familiar
- with some of the biggest consolidators for major carriers. Bucket shops
- are retail agencies that specialize in knowing the full range of
- consolidators (every airline has many consolidators) and in knowing other
- techniques of fare construction, importing tickets, etc. for discount prices.
-
- Consolidators basically fall into three categories:
-
- (1) Wholesale only -- no retail sales or advertising. (You may have seen
- their names, however, in the validation box of tickets bought through a
- retail agency.) These are the consolidators most local travel agents
- know about. They generally deal only with round trips originating in the
- country where they are based, and seem to be most common in the U.S.
- They advertise heavily in the travel agency trade press.
-
- (2) Specialty agencies selling both wholesale and retail. Frequently an
- agency operating and retailing tours to a particular country will have a
- discount agreement with the airline it uses for its tours (generally the
- national carrier of the destination) and will also sell wholesale tickets
- on that airline. One reason they do the wholesale business, even if
- their markup on wholesale tickets is very low, is to boost their volume
- of production (sales) with the airline, as many discount contracts are
- contingent on a specified sales volume, and/or have year-end bonuses or
- additional commission rebates based on sales threshholds. Sometimes they
- are "general sales agents," that is, official representatives of an
- airline (usually a small one) that doesn't have service or its own office
- in a country.
-
- (3) Bucket shops. Many bucket shops negotiate their own deals directly
- with the airlines for routes where they can't get good (or any) discounts
- from (1) or (2). They use these deals for their own retail customers,
- and frequently also to other bucket shops. (Sometimes they negotiate
- these deals specifically to be able to export the tickets to bucket
- shops in other countries, as when a Singapore bucket shop gets permission
- to discount tickets originating in the U.S.) Bucket shops' own deals
- tend to emphasize one-way tickets, which are essential for constructing
- around the world tickets and which often aren't available for other
- consolidators.
-
- Enough on consolidators. As for getting tickets at the last minute:
- Airlines wait until they have a good idea how full their planes will
- be (based on advance booking levels) before they decide how deeply they
- need to discount their tickets to consolidators to fill their planes.
- So consolidator contracts with the airlines are subject to change,
- usually several times a year, and generally forbid sales of tickets for
- travel commencing more than a few months after the sale. Verifying
- prices with vendors around the world, and then importing tickets, can
- take a couple of weeks (unless you want to pay extra for air courier
- service). So you can't expect to get the best price, or to get your
- tickets, many months ahead (except for times like Christmas, when prices
- are set and planes fill up many months in advance). On the other hand,
- it shouldn't take more than a couple of weeks to get your tickets from a
- reputable, efficient agency -- barring complications. (The most common,
- and justifiable, complication, especially with a complex ticket, is that
- one of the rates has changed and a different source or fare construction
- has to be found. Customers find this hard to understand, but it isn't
- always possible to call or fax an oversees -- or even a domestic --
- supplier to verify every fare in their wholesale tariff, which is always
- subject to change, before quoting a price to the customer.)
-
- As for what to do, I wouldn't think of buying an international ticket
- from a neighborhood travel agnet, even if I told them to try to find a
- consolidator fare. Depending on your itinerary, try either an agency
- specializing in that destination and/or a bucket shop. You'd be
- surprised how often local agents, when they have a customer for a weird
- destination or routing (especially around the world) simply buy the
- tickets from a bucket shop and mark them up to the customer.
-
- You'll get the best price if you shop around, but remember that rating an
- around the the world itinerary can take an hour of work (for which the
- agent is paid nothing if you end up getting the ticket elswhere). So
- don't be surprised that the fare isn't in the computer and can't be given
- off the top of the agents head; the agent will give only a very rough
- estimate of the fare unless you make clear that you are really serious
- about getting the ticket from that agency if the price is right.
-
-
- --description from a travel agent who chose to remain unnamed--
-
- Bucket shops serve a limited and specialized subset of the air ticket
- market, and are mostly concentrated in a few world cities: London,
- Singapore, Bangkok, Hong Kong, and San Francisco. Much smaller and less
- competitive bucket shop marketplaces include New York, Athens, and
- Nairobi. It's worth going far out of your way to deal with a bucket shop
- -- the overwhelming majority of travel agents don't even try to compete
- with bucket shop fares. For that matter, most agents couldn't construct
- the sorts of routings the better bucket shops specialize in (especially
- customized around-the-world itineraries) at ANY price.
-
- How do they do it? For one thing, simple specialization. Almost all air
- tickets sold in the U.S. are domestic round trips (the majority) or the
- simplest international round trips (mostly to resorts in the Caribbean,
- Mexico, or perhaps Europe). I haven't the faintest idea what the fare is
- to Cancun, and our agency policy is to tell callers flatly, "I'm sorry,
- we don't handle domestic travel." On the other hand, most agents have
- never booked a ticket to Moscow in their life, and might get one
- around-the-world customer a year. I get round-the-world enquiries every
- day. "You need to go to Manila, Hong Kong, Moscow, and Paris? No
- problem. Of course, no airline flies directly from Hong Kong to Moscow,
- so the route and the fare would be as follows..."
-
- How do they get their fares? That's an extremely complex question, which
- I can't answer fully both because (1) it would take too long and (2) I'm
- not supposed to divulge trade secrets (although my boss, so far as I
- know, isn't on the net -- and there is surprisingly little overlap
- between the hacker community and even the most skilled CRS [computerized
- reservations system] users, perhaps because travel agents are mostly
- women and hackers mostly men). Even a sketchy answer requires some
- explanation of fares in general:
-
- International airfares are set by interantional agreement and regulated
- by the airline cartel, IATA. Most international airlines are closely
- related to, if not directly owned by, their national governments. Most
- governments in turn have an interest in protecting the profits of their
- national airline, and the IATA fares are artificially high. IATA rules
- officially prohibit discounting, and in some countries these rules are
- actually enforced -- one reason some countries have no bucket shops
- whatsoever (although tickets originating in those countries can often be
- bought in other countries, if you know where to look). All official fares
- are "published" either in hardcopy (the OAG) or electronically to the
- CRS's. Most important, only published fares are shown in any CRS. That
- works OK for domestic U.S. fares, since with deregulation domestic
- carriers can publish pretty much any fares they want, and change them at
- whim. If they want to lower the fare, they lower the published fare. So
- getting the best domestic fare means learning how to search whatever CRS
- the travel agent uses (the major ones are pretty comparable on
- completeness of published fare listings), figuring out which seats on
- which flight itineraries it applies to, booking seats accordingly, and
- driving the ticket directly from the CRS (using its "auto-price"
- capability).
-
- Bucket shops subvert the airline cartel conspiracy against discounting in
- various ways. Airlines can contract with wholesalers ("consolidators")
- to sell tickets at less than published fares. The rules on routes,
- stopovers, seasonality, etc. for these tickets are governed by the
- contract, not by the rules for any published fare. Sometimes bucket
- shops contract directly with airlines and sometimes they buy and resell
- tickets from consolidators. Since the goal of the airlines is to get
- each passenger to pay the most they are willing to pay, airlines try to
- discount tickets in such a way as to fill otherwise empty seats rather
- than divert full-fare passengers to cheaper tickets. Frequently, they
- restrict how consolidator tickets can be advertised, such as forbidding
- mention of the name of the airline or allowing the discount fare to be
- promoted only to a particular geographic or ethnic market. It's common
- for tickets to be most heavily discounted in a place far (even thousands
- of miles) from where the ticket either begins or ends, so as not to
- depress the primary market. If a consolidator fare is TOO successful,
- the airline will raise the fare or terminate the contract. Many
- conolidators won't deal directly with the public, and net fare tariffs
- are confidential. One of the most important skills for a bucket shop
- agent is having a feel for the wholesale ticket market. It's one thing
- to ask your local agent to try to buy you a consolidator ticket. It's
- quite another for the agent to know who, and where, has the best price
- for what you want.
-
- Other consolidators, and some retail agencies (especially those with a
- large volume on one airline to one destination, such as those serving
- specialized ethnic markets) receive more than the standard commission on
- some or all of the published fares of a certain airline to certain
- destinations. This is permitted by IATA rules. The "incentive,"
- "override," or "bonus" commission is officially forbidden to be rebated
- to the customer, but of course is. (In fact, bucket shops often end up
- with a smaller ppercentage commission than normal agencies.) Figuring
- the actual price to the passenger with such commission deals is
- particularly complex, since one must satisfy all the conditions of both
- the published fare and the commission deal. Net fare contracts usually
- have much simpler rules. (For example, the cheapest ticket may be issued
- at a higher fare that also has a higher commission. For this reason, and
- because net fare tickets usually carry the "full" fare as their official
- price, the "face value" of a ticket need bear no relation to the price
- paid. All else being equal, the HIGHER the face value of the ticket the
- better, since in general high-value tickets are more readily changed,
- rerouted, etc.)
-
- Finally, the bucket shop business is global. Your local travel agent
- might buy from a domestic consolidator, but they WON'T import your ticket
- from overseas, even if that would be much cheaper. The major bucket
- shops in SFO, HKG, BKK, SIN, and LON regularly buy from each other.
- Costs of DHL and international faxes are less than the wide international
- variations in ticket prices. Theres a lot more to it (especially in
- constructing routes and connections, which no CRS does well for complex
- international routes), but in many ways a bucket shop is simply a ticket
- broker, buying for its retail customers on the world wholesale ticket
- market. Most bucket shop tickets, if you inspect the validation, are not
- issued by the bucket shop itself. If you already knew exactly where to
- buy them, you could often get a slightly better price directly. But the
- odds are you couldn't find the best deal for yourself -- the whole system
- is DELIBERATELY stacked against just that.
-
- Round-the-world tickets are the epitome of the bucket shop agent's art.
- Don't be fooled by published around-the-world fares. They restrict you
- to the extremely limited routes of just one or two airlines. Only rarely
- are they the best deal; to put it another way, only the rare itinerary
- can be shoehorned into such a fare without mangling it. Most around-
- the-world itineraries can be best and most cheaply ticketed as a series
- of one way tickets from point to point. Constructing a round-the-world
- fare requires both deciding at what points to break the circle into
- segments and getting the best price for each segment (where each ticket
- may actually, with stopovers, cover several legs of the journey). On top
- of that, most people aren't sure when they start planning a round-
- the-world trip exactly what stops they want, or in what order. Good
- round-the-world agents are rare, even in bucket shops -- but your average
- travel agent doesn't even know where to begin.
-
- As for bucket shop reliability, it varies. Caveat emptor. They tend to
- be wheeler-deelers, and of neccessity they cut their margins thin. Find
- out how long they've been around. Check them out with the Better
- Business Bureau. See if they belong to the American Society of Travel
- Agents (which has its own arbitration system). Go to their office in
- person, if you can. If it's worth it to your peace of mind, pay by
- credit card so you can refuse the charge if you don't get your tickets.
- You'll probably be surcharged 2-5% for using a credit card, but its
- simple, cheap, and effective insurance. (One thing not to believe is
- favorable references. Except for complete frauds, even rip-off agencies
- have satisfied customers. The test is what they do when things go
- wrong.) For what it's worth, I have yet to encounter a completely
- fraudulent bucket shop, and most are pretty reliable. But you have to
- recognize that you can't expect the best service at the lowest price.
- It's especially important to remember that fares change constantly and
- that no estimate is certain until the tickets are actually issued.
- (Amazingly, airlines claim the right to increase fares even after tickets
- are issued, althought they never do.)
-
-
-
- --
- Larry Autry
- Silicon Graphics, St. Louis
- autry@sgi.com
-